Sönke Neitzel - Soldaten

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In 2001, spurred by a nagging curiosity over a transcript of a secretly recorded conversation he had come across in his research on the German U-boat wars, historian Sönke Neitzel paid a visit to the British national archives. He had heard of the existence of recorded interrogations of German POWs, but never about covert recordings taken within the confines of the holding cells, bedrooms, and camps that housed the prisoners. What Neitzel discovered, to his amazement, were reams of untouched, recently declassified transcripts totaling nearly eight hundred pages. Later, Neitzel would find another trove of protocols twice as extensive at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
Though initially recorded by British intelligence with the intention of gaining information that might be useful for the Allied war effort, the matters discussed in these conversations ultimately proved to be limited in that regard. But for Neitzel and his collaborator, renowned social psychologist Harald Welzer, they would supply a unique and profoundly important window into the mentality of the soldiers in the Wehrmacht, the Luftwaffe, the German navy, and the military in general, almost all of whom had insisted on their own honorable behavior during the war. It is a myth these transcripts unequivocally debunk.
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In Odessa, some 99,000 Jews were murdered, most of them by Romanian soldiers. Enzyklopädie des Holocaust , Vol. 2, p. 1058ff.

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On the Night of Broken Glass in Vienna, see Siegwald Ganglmair and Regina Forstner-Karner, eds., Der Novemberpogrom 1938: Die Reichskristallnacht in Wien (Vienna: Museen der Stadt Wien, 1988); Herbert Rosenkranz, Reichskristallnacht: 9. November 1938 in Österreich (Vienna: Europa Verlag, 1968).

226

GRGG 281, 8 May–9 May 1945, TNA, WO 208/4177.

227

SRA 5444, 8 July 1944, TNA, WO 208/4134.

228

Room Conversation, Swoboda-Kahrad, 2 December 1944, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 552.

229

SRA 4820, 13 January 1944, TNA, WO 208/4132.

230

Lvov was home to the Janowska concentration camp, which did not, however, have gas chambers. Estimates of the number of people murdered there range from tens of thousands to 200,000. Enzyklopädie des Holocaust, Vol. 2, p. 657ff. The nearest gas chambers were located at the Belzec concentration camp, some seventy kilometers to the northwest. From mid-March to December 1942, as many as 600,000 Jews, “gypsies,” and Poles were murdered there. On the murders of Jews in Galicia, see Thomas Sandkühler, “Endlösung” in Galizien (Bonn: Dietz, 1996).

231

We can no longer reconstruct how much Ramcke knew about the Holocaust. The fact that he only fought for around four weeks, in February and March 1944, on the Eastern Front in Ukraine would suggest his knowledge was limited.

232

GRGG 272, 13 March–16 March 1945, TNA, WO 208/4177.

233

Welzer, Täter, p.158ff.

234

Kutno was conquered by German troops on 15 September 1939. In June 1940, the Jewish population was confined to a ghetto, where they lived under terrible conditions. In March and April 1942, the ghetto was dissolved, and its inhabitants killed at the Kulmhof extermination camp. Evidence has yet to emerge of any mass executions of Jews in Kutno.

235

GRGG 272, 13 March–16 March 1945, TNA, WO 208/4177.

236

Ibid.

237

In her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt wrote of Eichmann’s complete inability to conceive of what he had done. It is possible, though, that her impression was mistaken, based as it was on Eichmann’s indolence and indifference during his trial. It’s more likely that the normative standards Eichmann followed in tirelessly carrying out his duties at the Main Office for Reich Security simply deviated from those that normally apply elsewhere. Eichmann was guided by National Socialist morality. Postwar conservative German politician Hans Karl Filbinger implicitly pointed to those standards as a justification for his own role as a navy judge in handing out death sentences, when he said: “What was just back then cannot be unjust today.”

238

SRM 33, 31 January 1942, TNA, WO 208/4136.

239

SRA 3313, 30 October 1942, TNA, WO 208/4128.

240

Taumberger is presumably talking here about the subterranean facility at Gusen, Austria, where the Messerschmitt 262 fighter jet was supposed to be produced.

241

SRA 5618, 24 September 1944, TNA, WO 208/4134.

242

Welzer, Moller, and Tschuggnall, Opa, p. 158.

243

Room Conversation, Müller–Reimbold, 22 March 1945, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 530.

244

William Ryan, Blaming the Victim (London: Pantheon, 1972).

245

Broszat, ed., Rudolf Höß, p. 130.

246

Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, Hitlers willige Vollstrecker: Ganz gewöhnliche Deutsche und der Holocaust (Munich: Siedler, 1996), p. 462ff.; Browning, Ganz normale Männer, pp. 154, 332.

247

See Welzer, Moller, and Tschuggnall, Opa, p. 57.

248

Cited in Browning, Ganz normale Männer, p. 34.

249

Welzer, Täter, p. 132ff.

250

Hilberg, Die Vernichtung, p. 338ff.

251

Ibid., p. 339.

252

SRN 852, 11 March 1942, TNA, WO 208/4143; Heinz-Ludger Borgert, “Kriegsverbrechen der Kriegsmarine,” in Kriegsverbrechen im 20: Jahrhundert, Wolfram Wette and Gerd R. Ueberschär, eds. (Darmstadt: Wissenschaftlicher Burgergesellschaft, 2001), pp. 310–12; Enzyklopädie des Holocaust, Vol. 2, p. 859ff.

253

SRA 4759, 25 December 1943, TNA, WO 208/4132.

254

SRM 1163, 5 January 1945, TNA, WO 208/4140.

255

SRA 3948, 16 April 1943, TNA, WO 208/4130.

256

SRN 720, 25 December 1941, TNA, WO 208/4143.

257

SRCMF X 16, 29 May–2 June 1944, TNA, WO 208/5513; conversation between M 44/368 and M 44/374, cited in Anette Neder, “Kriegsschauplatz Mittelmeerraum: Wahrnehmungen und Deutungen deutscher Soldaten im Mittelmeerraum” (Master’s thesis, University of Mainz, 2010), p. 70.

258

SRA 554, 18 September 1940, TNA, WO 208/4119.

259

SRA 5264, 14 May 1944, TNA, WO 208/4133.

260

SRA 2947, 10 August 1942, TNA, WO 208/4127.

261

Room Conversation, Quick–Korte, 23 July 1944, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 529.

262

GRGG 169, 2–4 August 1944, TNA, WO 208/4363.

263

Room Conversation, Schulz–Voigt, 16 June 1944, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 557.

264

SRA 554, 18 September 1940, TNA, WO 208/4119; Lieb, Konventioneller Krieg, pp. 15–19.

265

SRA 3966, 26 April 1943, TNA, WO 208/4130.

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SRM 410, 16 December 1943, TNA, WO 208/4137.

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SRM 423, 24 December 1943, TNA WO 208/4137.

268

SRM 892, 15 September 1944, TNA, WO 208/4139.

269

SRM 975, 20 October 1944, TNA, WO 208/4139.

270

SRA 5852, 3 May 1945, TNA, WO 208/4135.

271

Room Conversation, Goessele–Langer, 27 December 1944, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 474.

272

Room Conversation, Drosdowski–Richter, 11 January 1945, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 462.

273

SRM 659, 18 July 1944, TNA, WO 208/4138.

274

Room Conversation, Müller–Reimbold, 22 March 1945, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 530.

275

Room Conversation, Hanelt–Breitlich, 3 April 1945, NARA, RG 165, Entry 179, Box 447.

276

GRGG 232, 8–11 December 1944, TNA, WO 208/4364. On euthanasia and earlier ideas of eugenics in Wilhelmine and Weimar Germany, see Ernst Klee, “Euthanasie” im NS-Staat: Die Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens (Frankfurt/Main: Fischer Verlag, 1985).

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