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Hey Melanie, it’s Roosh… it’s Thursday at 9PM… give me a call when you get the chance… my cell phone number is (240) 3804818.

A girl has made up her mind on whether she is going to call you back before you even pick up the phone. There is no message in the world that will make the girl call you back when she already decided not to, but there are messages you can leave which can change her mind and stop her from calling you back. In the case of voice messages, boring is better. Our simple voice message avoids the pitfalls of a typical bad message, like the previously mentioned joke or story drop and also self-descriptions that insinuate you are forgettable. Bad message example: "Hey it’s Steve, from Friday night at the bar, with the striped shirt, just calling to say...." If she gave you her number she is already interested to you (or was at the moment she gave it). Until you see her again in person you can only do more to harm than help. Once you leave a message, put your phone down and go occupy your mind with something else. You’re expecting a call, not waiting for one. Get on with your life and don’t worry about if your phone has a strong enough signal or if your ringer is loud enough for you to hear it. If you are doing things that you wouldn’t do if you were expecting a buddy of yours to return a call, then you need to take a step back by turning off your ringer and hiding your phone until the next morning. You give too much power to the girl if you eagerly await her call. It’s okay if you don’t answer when she calls because she won’t mind a couple back-and-forths on the phone. In fact, you can build that into future messages: "Hey it’s Roosh again. Phone tag… you’re it!"

It’s a very positive sign if she calls you back within an hour. If she is going to call you back, it’s usually going to be within three hours. If she doesn’t return your call that same night, she will likely never call you back. So by hour three you know where you stand with her. If she calls you soon after you leave a message, go ahead and answer. If she calls back the next day, don’t answer and see if she gives an excuse in her voicemail. At the least she can give show you she feels bad about her flakey behavior. You may be tempted to complain to her for taking extra time to call you back, but don’t. You can complain more after you’ve had sex with her, after she is more heavily invested in you.

If you end up playing phone tag, take your time when it’s your turn to call her back. If she takes a day to call back after your first call, don’t answer and take at least an hour to return her call. You don’t want to make the game worse by taking longer to call back than she did, but you also don’t want to seem like you are at her beck-and-call while she takes her time. If you leave her a message, expect her to leave one too. I don’t recommend calling girls back who don’t leave a message because it says that she is not even willing to put in the same amount of effort as you are. If she is serious about seeing you then she will assume your phone was out of service when she called and try again later. If not then you can try calling back and not leaving a message, but odds are the interaction will deteriorate from there. If she doesn’t end up calling you back, chalk up the overall experience as something that will help make you a better player. I’ve tried lots of things to save a number but all experiments kept coming back to the same conclusion: if she doesn’t call you back after your initial message, it’s over. You will be frustrated and tempted to analyze the pick-up to see what you did wrong, but this is useless because there could in fact be nothing you did wrong. Girls are fickle and change their minds for no apparent reason, so you shouldn’t rack your brain trying to understand them. Not getting a call-back is a normal part of the game that is common with every player I’ve met. This is why we push for sex the very same night we see her. While we don’t let on to a girl that we think she is going to flake (we put on the attitude that assumes the interaction will continue), we take advantage of those early situations where our probability of success is highest. Think about this way: it is possible you could have gotten sex from a girl the same night you met that otherwise wouldn’t even call you back if you just settled for her number. You strike when the iron is hot, and the iron is hottest when you meet her. When it’s time to talk to her on the phone, have two conversation threads ready. They are important to have because silence on the first phone call is even more awkward than after an approach. A good first thread is an action that is recent or currently occurring. Maybe you went to the gym, grocery store, coffee shop, movie, friend’s house, happy hour, or going away party. After you exchange initial hello’s, start the conversation with something like, "I just got back from…"

Maybe you can joke about how you went to the gym and destroyed your chest. Or maybe you just came from the coffee shop where you read this interesting book. Or maybe you just saw a cheesy movie. Or maybe you just met a long-lost friend at a bar. Or maybe you just went to the store and bought this ironic t-shirt. I usually call girls when I’m about to cook (I eat late), so they call me back while I’m cooking. I start the conversation by telling them how I’m preparing this "gourmet" meal from my Betty Crocker cookbook. This purpose of this initial thread is just to get a nice, basic conversation started. Odds are she will get into what she has been recently doing as well. The second thread will be a random idea, thought, or interesting question that flows naturally from your initial thread. For instance, if you are talking about the gym, you can probably transition into a joke about how meatheads in tight shirts make you feel skinny and weak. If you are talking about the coffee shop, move onto how you are concerned about the hormones in your latte and might move to soy milk instead. If you were talking about a movie, bring up how you are thinking of subscribing to Netflix because mainstream flicks don’t do it for you anymore. If you just visited your family and were talking about your brothers and sisters, say how they look up to you and how you aim to be their role model. Keep it light and fun without introducing any serious or heavy topics. You don’t want to push heavy topics on the phone because she can’t see your facial expressions or body language and may take your words the wrong way. Don’t introduce controversial personal beliefs or say anything that conflicts with her existing image of you. The main idea is not to do anything that gives her doubt to see you again. Sometimes you will come across a chatty girl who enjoys talking on the phone, pushing the conversation’s length into several minutes. Go along with the flow, but keep in mind that having a first conversation that goes beyond ten minutes accomplishes very little. Save it for the first date instead. The more time you spend talking on the phone the higher chance you will say something damaging. Remember: most girls make dating a big deal so they will analyze everything you say with their friends to see if there is something important behind it, especially when she isn’t sure about you yet. The less you have to say, the less she can analyze. There will be a 10% chance she will answer the phone when you first call her. If she does answer the phone, say, "Hey, it’s Justin," and ask her how she’s doing. Then after she replies hit her with your first conversation thread. There will be times when a girl answers your first call but realizes she doesn’t want to talk to you. What she’s going to do is say, "Hey let me give you a call back, I’m doing blah blah blah," before one minute of conversation. Of course this is bullshit because she wouldn’t have answered her phone from an unknown number if she was not ready to talk. You will be tempted to say something like, "Oh okay call me back when you get the chance." Instead just say,"Alright bye," and hang up the phone. It’s over. A silence will occur after the second thread dies out. Instead of starting a new topic, say, "So what is your schedule like during the week?" You don’t want to take a stab in the dark by suggesting a day or night for the date before you have an idea of her availability. After she tells you her work hours or when she has her nightly yoga class, suggest a day and general time when she would probably be free. Say, "How about we hang out on Thursday night?" Don’t give an exact time yet. Hopefully if all went well, she will say something like, "Sounds good, where and what time?" Then suggest one of your quiet venues by saying, "How about we start at…" If she doesn’t mention anything about transportation, the assumption is you don’t need to pick her up. From the position of getting back to her place or yours, you don’t want her to drive to meet you out because she would be independently mobile and less likely to carpool with you after the date. You want her to either walk, take public transportation, or have you pick her up, but you can’t push to pick her up first because your sex agenda may come across too strong. If she thinks out-loud about how she’s going to get there, say, "Let me know if you need a ride," which is an indirect way to make a ride offer. Only let her pick the venue if you have to go into her neighborhood due to her lack of transportation. Assuming you don’t know anything about her area, ask her if she knows a quiet place with comfortable seating, but if you are familiar with the area then go ahead and pick. If she doesn’t like your first choice then make another suggestion. If she doesn’t like that one either then tease her that you’ve never had a first date try to take on the role of the man by picking the place before.