President's Commission on the Assassination of - The Warren Commission (Complete Edition)

The other gentleman is Mr. Jewel Godi, of the Acme Brick Co., in Denton, Tex., who is not acquainted with my brother Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Jenner. I take it these two gentlemen you have identified are fellow employees of Acme Brick Co.?

Mr. Oswald. Or ex-employees that have become my personal friends, sir.

Mr. Jenner. As far as you know—I will withdraw that, because it would be repetitious.

What kind of gun clubs—hunting clubs, or gun practice clubs?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.

Mr. Harlan belonged to an archery club in Fort Worth, Tex., that I believe was also part of a gun club.

And Mr. Godi belongs to a Denton gun club of the nature of a practice range.

Mr. Jenner. Do you know of any possible homosexual tendency or activity of your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have any information as to whether he at any time met with suspected homosexuals or whether he went to the places reputedly frequented by homosexuals?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. Jenner. What was your brother's attitude toward sex in general?

Mr. Oswald. I do not have an opinion on that, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have any opinion whether it was a normal, healthy attitude?

Mr. Oswald. I would say it would be a normal, healthy attitude, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have, any—do you know what his attitude was, if he had one and you are acquainted with, toward homosexuality and homosexuals?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I am not of any opinion on that particular question.

Mr. Jenner. And this series of questions which I have been asked to put to you, I intended to include his entire lifetime. And were you answering the questions with that in mind?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. I would not change my own answers on that basis.

Mr. Jenner. Do you know whether or not any of the persons whose names I read to you, that series of names, beginning with George Senator, and concluding with Joyce Lee McDonald, contacted any member of your family or friends subsequent to November 22, 1963?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner. Or any employer or fellow employee of yours?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner. And I take it from your previous answer, which was that these names were unfamiliar to you, that they certainly did not contact you—at least you did not know consciously that they contacted you.

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Jenner. This is not, I anticipate, fully repetitious, Mr. Chairman, but an inquiry has been made—I just want to make certain of it.

Were you at all aware as to whether in October of 1962—aware of the fact, that for a short time Marina resided with Elena Hall?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not.

Mr. Jenner. And were you aware that there was for a short period of time some argument or fight between your brother and Marina which may have played a part in her visiting in the home of Elena Hall for a short time in October 1962?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not.

Mr. Jenner. I take it, sir, this is all completely new to you. You have no information on this subject.

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Jenner. You were not aware of anything of this nature at that time?

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Jenner. Mr. McKenzie described at length yesterday Mr. George De Mohrenschildt. As I recall it, your testimony was that you were unacquainted with this gentleman.

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Jenner. Did you ever hear either your brother—were you present when either your brother or Marina discussed, or may have discussed Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I have not been.

Mr. Jenner. Are you aware of any threat that your brother uttered against or may have uttered against Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I am not aware of any threat.

Mr. Jenner. You are now aware of the photograph of your brother with the pistol on his hip and holding the rifle and also holding a sheaf of papers, are you not?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I am.

Mr. Jenner. And did you see that photograph by any chance at any time prior to November 22, 1963?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I have not. Or did not.

Mr. Jenner. You were unaware that it had been taken?

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Dulles. Did you know that your brother had either the gun or the pistol?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir.

Mr. Dulles. Or had acquired the gun or pistol?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Jenner. Did Marina, following November 22, 1963, herself also acquire the same antipathy that you have testified you had with respect to the Paines?

Mr. Oswald. I would be of the opinion, sir, that she has not or does not have the antipathy that I have to the Paines. However, I feel confident that she has followed my advice along that line, and not contacted Mr. or Mrs. Paine since November 23, 1963.

Mr. Jenner. All right, sir.

Mr. Dulles. Did you have the impression that Mrs. Paine had some ulterior motive, other than a good motive, desire to befriend Marina when she was in some distress, and to gain the chance to talk Russian with her?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I would not have an opinion of that, since I was not aware of the circumstances of how they did become acquainted, and consequently started living in her residence in Irving, Tex.

Mr. Dulles. I gathered from your previous testimony that your feeling, visceral feeling, related both to Mrs. Paine and to Mr. Paine.

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it did. More so, if I might add, sir, to Mr. Paine than Mrs. Paine. But still I will include both of them in that answer.

Mr. Dulles. Did you know anything of Mr. Paine's background and affiliations?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Dulles. You knew of Mrs. Paine's interest in learning Russian, did you not, and in Russian matters?

Mr. Oswald. Following November 22, 1963, this has been reported to me.

Mr. Dulles. By Marina?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I believe I read this in various reported news articles and magazines that she has stated this was her intention.

Mr. Dulles. And Marina did not talk to you about either of the Paines particularly?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; not to any extent.

Mr. Jenner. Your information with respect to the Paines, other than your meeting them, I believe you said, the evening of November 22, and later in the Inn of the Six Flags, is based primarily—in addition to that—on items you have read in the newspaper and that sort of thing?

Mr. Oswald. Sir, to fully understand the question, you referred to a meeting of Mr. and Mrs. Paine at the Inn of the Six Flags?

Mr. Jenner. I thought you said that Mrs. Paine—or was it Mrs. Ford in the Inn of the Six Flags?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; neither of the ladies you have mentioned were in the Inn of the Six Flags.

Mr. Jenner. Then your whole acquaintance with the Paines was your being introduced to them, is that correct?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that is not correct.

Mr. Jenner. Would you relate your acquaintance with the Paines, and when it first arose?

Mr. Oswald. The first occasion that I met Mr. and Mrs. Paine, was at the Dallas police station on the night of November 22, 1963.

Mr. Dulles. May I ask there—had you heard about them before?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not.

Mr. Dulles. Hadn't even heard about them?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not. And my subsequent second meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—and I might add my last meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—was at their home in Irving, Tex., on the day that Mr. John Thorne, Mr. Jim Martin and myself—for the purpose of picking up Marina N. Oswald's and Lee Harvey Oswald's personal belongings. This was the only time that I have met them since the night of November 22, 1963.