President's Commission on the Assassination of - The Warren Commission (Complete Edition)

Mr. Jenner. Yes; you might do that.

Mr. Oswald. It was a Safeway Grocery Store, located on Camp Bowie and Ridglea addition of Fort Worth, Tex.

Mr. Jenner. I take it Camp Bowie is the name of a street?

Mr. Oswald. That is correct.

Mr. Jenner. And you obtained any additional impressions as you made this tour of Fort Worth, that is, as to her reactions to her new surroundings?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. She reacted to a walk that we took after leaving the grocery store and drove across the street to a suburban shopping center, with a large variety of different type stores. I do not recall going into any particular store. We were, as the term is applied, window shopping. And she was quite impressed at the articles of clothing, of jewelry, of shoes, and such items as might be displayed in this type of suburban shopping center which would more or less encompass a full variety of practically everything other than large appliances at this time.

Mr. Jenner. All right.

At any time prior to November 22, 1963, did you become acquainted with her habits, if any, with respect to independent shopping on her part—that is, shopping by herself for foodstuffs or articles of clothing for little June or for herself?

Mr. Oswald. None other than, sir, that I have already related as related by my mother to me.

Mr. Jenner. Is the name Hutch's Market familiar to you?

Mr. Oswald. It is not.

Mr. Jenner. You testified yesterday that, as I recall—and if I am incorrect, please correct me—that your impression at least was that your mother was opposed to your marriage?

Mr. Oswald. That is right.

Mr. Jenner. Am I correct up to that point?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Jenner. Without the degree of that opposition. Was it quite affirmative? Did she make any scene? Did she talk—express to you unequivocally her opposition?

Give us those circumstances, please.

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not recall any specific instance where she firmly stated that she was against my marriage. It might have been little things along that line she might have said to me that I do not recall formulated my opinion that she was to some degree at least having objections to my marriage.

Mr. Jenner. But did you have the feeling, and was it conveyed to you, that she was quite affirmatively opposed to your marriage?

Mr. Oswald. I would say generally; yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. All right.

Did Marina and your mother stay at the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas?

Mr. Oswald. In what period?

Mr. Jenner. Before they moved to the Executive House?

Mr. Dulles. Right after November 22—maybe the night of November 22. I think they had a room and moved out.

Mr. Jenner. I thought the witness referred to the Adolphus Hotel yesterday.

Mr. McKenzie. He has not referred to the Adolphus Hotel.

Mr. Oswald. I believe that is right.

My first occasion to meet with my mother and Marina Oswald on November 23, 1963——

Mr. Jenner. That is a Saturday.

Mr. Oswald. Was at the Adolphus Hotel, rather than the Baker Hotel, as noted in my notes on page 10, in my diary.

Mr. Jenner. I had noted that, Mr. Oswald. And would you identify the page to which you have reference now?

Mr. Oswald. Page 10, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Page 10 of your memorandum?

Mr. Oswald. That is right. And I might point out at the time I wrote it down in parens—"I believe." In other words, my statement was "I received a call from mother while at the DA's office, and she advised she was at the Baker Hotel—I believe."

Mr. Jenner. And your recollection has now been refreshed that that was the Adolphus Hotel rather than the Baker Hotel?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I am of the opinion now it was the Adolphus Hotel rather than the Baker Hotel.

Mr. Jenner. And then the next day they were moved to or themselves moved to Executive House.

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that is not correct. They were moved later on, on Saturday, November 23, 1963, to the Executive Inn.

Mr. Jenner. Executive Inn that is called?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Rather than Executive House?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Jenner. They went from the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas to the Executive Inn?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. That is my understanding, that they did.

Mr. Jenner. I see.

Mr. Dulles. Were those quarters, as far as you recall, retained for them by the Life people, Life, Time, Fortune people?

Mr. Oswald. In my conversation with my mother on Saturday, November 23, while I was at the district attorney's office in Dallas, Tex., she related to me at that time that they had furnished her and Marina Oswald and the babies three rooms at the Adolphus Hotel, and that Life magazine was paying for these rooms, and that they could keep these rooms as they wanted—as long as they wanted to be close to Lee and the situation that was erupting in Dallas, Tex., at this time.

Mr. Jenner. I see.

Did you, during this period of time, have occasion to visit them at the Adolphus Hotel?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner. And is that recorded in your memorandum.

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it is.

Mr. Jenner. Then I don't wish to burden the record by asking you about it again.

Did you have occasion to visit them at the Executive Inn?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner. And is that recorded in your memorandum?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it is.

Mr. Jenner. Identify the page, please.

Mr. Oswald. That begins on page 14, at the bottom of the page, under the date of Sunday, November 24, 1963.

Mr. Jenner. And on that same day, did they move to the Inn of the Six Flags?

Mr. Oswald. That is right—later on in the afternoon, Sunday, November 24.

Mr. Jenner. Did you accompany them on that occasion?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did. I was in a separate car, but they were in the same party.

Mr. Jenner. All three phases, Mr. Oswald—Adolphus Hotel, Executive Inn, and the journey to and living at the Inn of the Six Flags, they are recorded in your memorandum?

Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; they are.

Mr. Jenner. Did there come a time when differences arose between Marina and your mother?

Mr. McKenzie. You have covered that.

Mr. Jenner. Are you sure?

Mr. McKenzie. I will submit it to the Chair.

Mr. Dulles. I would think so. I think that has been covered.

Mr. Oswald. Did you want me to answer that, sir?

Mr. Jenner. We don't want it if it is repetitious.

Mr. Oswald. I believe that has already been testified to, sir.

Mr. Jenner. During the course of the days immediately following November 22, 1963, whether at the Adolphus or the Executive Inn or the Inn of the Six Flags, did any time arise, any talk with you or in your presence, of a supposed possible conspiracy between the Secret Service men on the one hand and Marina on the other?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir; there was not.

Mr. Jenner. Nothing of that character arose, as far as you can recall?

Mr. Oswald. No, sir.

Mr. Jenner. And I may say to you, Mr. Oswald, that the purpose of asking you that question is a statement made by your mother that there was a conspiracy between Marina and the Secret Service to turn Marina against your mother and against your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald, or the memory of your brother.

Mr. Oswald. I would say to the best of my remembrance of all happenings at the Inn of the Six Flags that at no time, to my knowledge, was there any type of conspiracy of that nature, and at no time was I aware of any type of conspiracy that would even resemble that statement, sir.

Mr. Jenner. All right.

Mr. Dulles. As I recall, however, you have testified that you discussed with the Secret Service the type of interrogation that the FBI were carrying on, and that has been fully presented in the record.