Sebastian Gorka - Why We Fight - Why We Fight - Defeating America's Enemies - With No Apologies

Dave:When they put you out there, and as you said you willfully went out to go for the ban, the Muslim ban, when we talked about it…

Sebastian Gorka:…The travel moratorium . Don’t fall into their narrative!

Dave:So we talked about it a bunch on the show. I did a bunch of videos. I’ve tried to be very fair. I have Muslim friends. I’ve had Muslims on the show and ex-Muslims, and I’ve had people that are critical of religion and people that are religious and the whole freaking thing.

Look, most of the most populous countries of Muslim people were not included on the list. The original list came out of the Obama administration and all that. So I tried to talk about it as fairly as possible, but it seems to be one of those issues. And then I think this will sort of lead us into your book as well. Talking about radical Islam and trying to make the distinction between Islam as a set of ideas versus Muslims as people, and of course you can’t be prejudiced and all of that. This seems to be basically the stickiest thing we have going right now, right? Like it’s just quicksand to even talk about it.

Sebastian Gorka:You mean the threat of jihadism?

Dave:The quicksand of trying to make the distinction. We have to be able to talk about ideas and why we have to fight for good ideas and against bad ideas but at the same time make sure that we’re not being prejudiced against people and making sure that America remains the open, pluralistic society that it is.

Sebastian Gorka:Look, the argument in my book Defeating Jihad is a simple one. We live in the only country ever created on the principle of individual freedom and liberties, granted to us not by the government but by our Creator because we were created in His image.

The Founding Fathers said you have dignity because you are made in the image of the Creator, not because Washington says you have dignity. That concept of the individual’s dignity and the freedom that it provides is antithetical to the spectrum of politics that says man is perfectible and perfection can be created. My first degree was in philosophy and theology, and I stated the issue at this event here in California.

All politics or ideological differences can be summarized in just two camps. It doesn’t matter which country you’re in or what era. Two camps: those that believe truth is objective and not man-made and those who say no, man can define truth and perfection can be created here on Earth. That statement that man can define truth leads to the gas chambers and to the gulags. Social justice warriors don’t realize that they’re walking down the same path, but it’s the same concept to say, “I’m going to perfect the world, and there will be justice and equality.” No you won’t if we are free. There will never be justice for all and equality for all as long as we are free, because evil is real. Evil exists. Man is fallen. Jihadism is just the latest version [of that denial of objective truth].

My book is built on a simple argument. There is a connective tissue between al-Qaeda and ISIS and the Nazis of the Third Reich and the communists of the Soviet Union. Yes, they worshiped different things. One worshiped an Aryan race. One worshiped the working class. The other worshiped their version of Islam, but guess what the connective tissue is. They’re all totalitarians, and if you disagree with them, guess what! You’re going to be enslaved or murdered. End of story. And if you deny that reality… and I’ve trained, I don’t know, six to seven thousand federal officers. I’ve trained more than that in the military, when a military professional, an FBI agent, understands that his government is telling him what he can and cannot say about the threat group he’s supposed to be protecting us from, then we have problems.

When President Obama says in 2011, writes a memo [5] “Obama’s Scrub of Muslim Terms under Question; common links in attacks,” Rowan Scarborough, Washington Times, April 25, 2013 https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/25/obamas-cleansing-of-islamic-terms-suppresses-commo/ to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the then attorney general, all counterterrorism training of FBI agents and the US military must not mention Islam and especially must not mention the word jihad, well that’s like saying we’re about to storm the Normandy beaches and we say, “Guys make sure your M1’s loaded and your boots are tied up, but whatever you do, don’t mention the word ‘Nazi’ because you could offend a German.” It’s a bad Saturday Night Live skit, Dave. It’s insanity, and the fact that we weren’t allowed to talk about it truthfully, that gets people killed. Political correctness eventually can lead to good people dying.

Dave:Yeah, that also explains why there’s such craziness in Europe right now. It seems to me that we’re going to consistently see the rise of right or far-right parties. But it really is just the symptom of not being able to talk about these issues honestly.

Sebastian Gorka:Let’s differentiate between the rise of two different things. So we’ve just had an election in Hungary. We’ve seen elections in Italy and elsewhere, and we’ve seen Brexit. Let’s not conflate two issues. There’s a rise of very disturbing groups like Jobbik in Hungary. They’re already crypto-nationalists and feed off a long-seated, anti-Semitic, kind of irredentist sentiment in the country.

Dave:So these are the true, sort of, they’re not all white nationalists, but they’re true, sort of, they want ethno-states and they, right?

Sebastian Gorka:It’s complicated because there’s history there. There’s Trianon, there’s Versailles, but they’re bigots. Then you mustn’t conflate that with the Trump phenomenon and things like Brexit’s original causation. I don’t even use the word “populism.” I reject the word populism unless your definition of populism is: those kinds of politics that the “elite” disagrees with. That’s a good definition of populism.

For me, this isn’t populism. Trump winning or Brexit happening is a reassertion of democracy. I mean, why did Trump occur? Because people on the left and the right looked at D.C. and said, “You know, I don’t know the difference between the Sunni and Shia, but, guess what, it’s [US counterterrorism policy that’s] broken. I don’t know what a federal budget should look like, but we’re spending like drunken sailors.” So it’s the reassertion of accountable politics vice faceless bureaucracy or “uni-party” swamp dwellers, whether they’re in D.C. or whether they’re in Brussels. So for me, we should welcome it with open arms. This is a reassertion of accountable government, but for the left that wants uniformity of thought and bigger government, it’s “fascism.”

Dave:So how then do you police that? I know you don’t like that idea of policing and government coming in and fixing, but how do you make sure that the part you’re worried about doesn’t lead the good part because I think the left is always led now by its worst parts. Then that’s why they purge everybody. In the video [6] Dave Rubin: “Why I Left the Left,” Prager University, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8&vl=en you mentioned that I did on Prager U., that’s what I talked about. Anyone that steps out of groupthink, you get purged, and that’s why I think there’s such a movement toward libertarianism or classical liberalism or whatever you want to call it. So I see what the left’s doing on that. How do you make sure that doesn’t happen on the right, where the far right that you’re worried about … you think it’s fair estimation to call it far right?