Sebastian Gorka - Why We Fight - Why We Fight - Defeating America's Enemies - With No Apologies

Sebastian Gorka:I don’t even like the word “alt-right.” I think it’s bogus. I think that’s just a new label for nationalists or irredentist bigots. They’re rewrapping themselves to be fit for polite company. They’re just racists.

Dave:I hate to tell you on your Wikipedia page they call you alt-right, of course.

Sebastian Gorka:Wikipedia… enough said. The page that doesn’t allow the subject to correct mistakes. Right. When I try to correct the lies, it’s frozen. That’s interesting, Wikipedia.

Dave:I told you right before we started, but your Wikipedia out of all the ones I usually just glance there, not to get facts but just to get a sense, yours is such a mess it’s …

Sebastian Gorka:I’ve tried to correct it. Friends have tried to correct it. Then they froze it and then, forget about it.

Dave:So what do you do, though, to make sure those two things don’t come together.

Sebastian Gorka:So we need a spine. Those of us that have a podium, those that are out there, those that wish to see the principles we believe in in terms of the Founding come back and be celebrated in this country, we have to call them out. We don’t believe that you use legislation. I mean “hate speech”—give me a break. Either you’re inciting violence or you’re not. Either you’re committing a crime or you’re not. We don’t need extra labels, and we don’t need censorship. Call them out for what they are. We need people on the right who say, “You know what, he’s a racist. That alt-right thing, that’s just bigotry, that’s just the KKK wrapped up in a new bow.” It’s up to us. The left’s not going to do it. They’re going to use it. They’re going to use those people to silence the majority. Do I think that’s happening? No, not enough by far. We have begun but there’s a lot of work to do.

Dave:Does everything that’s happening in Europe … and there’s definitely a distinction to be made between Eastern Europe and Western Europe. Eastern Europe is dealing with their existential crisis a little bit better perhaps because Western Europe’s a little behind on the political correctness thing you’re talking about. Does everything that’s happening in Europe right now, does it all come down to immigration, do you think?

Sebastian Gorka:No. No, immigration was the blue touch paper on the firework. No, it’s the death of representative democracy.

I watched this because I grew up in the UK under Margaret Thatcher. For me, Maggie, The Gipper, St. John Paul II, these were my heroes. And I remember riding to school on the bus in the morning in West London and the bus driver would be Jamaican. I’d be with my Indian or Pakistani school buddy. I’d be with this Polish guy next to me. I mean it’s a super heterogeneous part of London. As far as I was concerned, these were all Brits. The guy might have had the thickest Jamaican accent possible, my friend Martin’s mum cooked the best Indian curries, but guess what, we were all British. That’s gone.

When Tony Blair came in, when Clinton came in, this idea that the West is guilty and words like “British” are pejorative, you’re a Gujarati, you’re Welsh, you’re whatever, that was the death of these countries. Why do you think I’m in America? I’m a proud American citizen now because they lost the plot. The things that the GIs fought for, that the Tommys fought for. I mean, safe spaces? Really? You had nineteen-year-olds that are being blown up over Berlin in bomber planes and you want a safe space? This is in a space of seventy years? I mean, what’s going on in London right now. This is the land of Churchill!

Dave:I’m sure you saw this but just in the last couple weeks they said London’s crime has surpassed New York City’s for the first time in history. And then Sadiq Khan, who’s the mayor, issued a statement saying you can’t carry knives. I mean first off, people are walking around with Swiss army knives. A woman that might want to protect herself might want to carry a knife in her pocket. It seems like a mass mental disorder to me. It really does.

Sebastian Gorka:That’s what happens. That is the natural progression when you deny objective truth. If everything is plastic, then you will get wrapped around your axel in absurdities. For a mayor of one of the most powerful cities in the world, a financial center to say, “No one should ever have a knife on them and nobody needs a knife.” So every plumber, every tradesmen, every person working a fish market is suddenly out of a job? That’s insane.

Dave:So what does Britain or Europe in a wider sense have to do to reverse the tide on some of this stuff?

Sebastian Gorka:Listen to people like Nigel Farrage, I don’t know. I mean, look, this saying crops up in every nation: “Every country deserves the politicians they elect.” Don’t bitch and moan, get out there.

I see it where I live outside D.C., the conservative who is so fed up and constantly posting on Facebook. What have you done about it? Have you gone out with leaflets? Have you given more than five dollars to your local candidate? Have you given up and surrendered? I see this all the time. The people who say, “The greatest nation on earth” and then they say, “We’re going purple, so many bureaucrats have moved in.” What are you going do? Would you have said that in 1776? Would the Founding Fathers have said, “What are you going to do?” No.

Dave:Is this just a symptom of the success of the West—that we’ve just become so successful that we just sit there on Twitter and we don’t do anything? It’s all talk. It’s not do.

Sebastian Gorka:It’s more than that. It’s deep. I went to the Jesuits. I studied philosophy under them. It was painful, but I won’t regret a minute of it. Identity is a function of history and culture and values, and if you don’t study Western civilization in your schools and your colleges this is what happens. If you don’t understand why people have dignity, just that they do—oh, unless they’re conservatives—this is where we arrive at.

And you know who’s responsible for this. I don’t blame the left, Dave. This is not the left’s culpability. It’s ours. It’s conservatives.

The radicals, when they saw Paris on fire in 1968, they believed they could do the same to America, that we could have a left-wing revolution. This is what your Students for a Democratic Society believed, and when Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers took over the SDS and tried to execute their Chicago “Days of Rage,” what happened? Because Americans are not rabble-rousing leftists, it died. It was a damp squib. The Maoist revolution, the Prairie Fire manifesto [7] http://www.sds-1960s.org/PrairieFire-reprint.pdf died instantly. So what did they decide? They’d read their Trotsky. They’d read their Lenin. They even knew what Hitler said: “Give me their children and I’ll own their future.”

These people actually became tenured professors in Chicago. They became high school teachers, and what did we do on the right? We let them. People who avowedly believe America is evil were allowed to influence our education system to the point to which they pretty much owned it with the exception of your Hillsdale College and Grove City College. They own the education system, and what was our response? Homeschooling. Great. I mean, I love the movement, but that’s not going to save us, it’s not enough. So it’s going to be a hard slog. It’s going to be twenty to thirty years of saying, “Guys, America means this and it’s nothing to do with your skin color. It’s nothing to do with your sexual preference, your social class, your gender. America is eternal values.” And that’s going to be a lot of work.