Ragnar Benson - Ragnar's Urban Survival

Bargaining in survival situations, either for money or for other goods, will be common. Most Americans have no clue how to bargain. Some consider the exercise to be tacky

Here is a brief summary of a nonthreatening method of bargaining that is usually effective and does not impinge on the desire of most Americans not to be confrontational. Americans really don’t like to come right out and tell the other guy his stuff is priced too high and that they will only offer so much. This is too rude and abrupt, even for city survivors who, in prior lives, may have been very rude and abrupt.

Begin by determining that the other guy really has something you need at the retreat. In survival situations, it is common for owners not to display valuable goods till the deal is fairly far along. If you have nothing he particularly wants, then assume the deal will have to be for cash. This original posture should be stretched out as long as possible. Part of any successful bargaining technique involves inducing the other party to invest time in the process.

Perhaps it is time spent listening to information about the quality of the item. Maybe it’s the item’s history or the owner’s history; his current survival problems, health of his wife and kids, the grandkids, weather, sources of supply, position of the enemy or whatever. Americans tend not to be listeners. But in this case you gotta spend at least 15 minutes earnestly BS-ing and listening.

When he finally gets around to setting his price, don’t react by saying it’s too high. Simply tell him that this item is exactly what you need and want, that :t is in the condition you hoped for, and that he has talked you into the item. You like the item so much you only wish you could afford it. Lay it on thick about wanting the item, but it is out of your reach financially. At times sellers will voluntarily lower their price, without a buyer’s counteroffer.

Make up some lame excuse why you can’t afford the item. “Just traded my last two flashlights for a generator belt,” says you. Also, be mentally prepared to simply walk away from the deal if the seller doesn’t respond.

Usually the seller will ask how much you can afford to pay. Don’t lowball him, which will expose the game. Simply say he could help out a bunch by selling it for X amount. At this point, it is incumbent upon you to find some reason for the fellow to help by lowering his price. Usually this reason originates in the initial conversation. Maybe it’s the offer of your help in your special area of expertise in the future.

The main goal is not to confront him harshly or be belligerent in any way, but to keep on talking in a manner that convinces the seller that he should help you and that it is now his problem to make the sale.

By not being confrontational when no deal is made, it is easily possible to come back the next day with another offer. You might claim, “I found another 5 gallons of gas in our storage area,” or whatever.

This is exactly the system used throughout the Orient, where saving face is of utmost importance. It also nicely fits most Americans’ personalities. After practice, count on at least a 75-percent success ratio.

Chances to trade for necessary and even unnecessary items are far greater in the city than they are in the country. More people and more goods lying about to trade for make this possible. Some survivors, who by luck or chance happen to store the correct trade goods, can make up for complete ignorance or lack of planning. Some will make a fortune. I wouldn’t want to play it this close, but the been there, done that crew claims it frequently happens.

Ownership and deployment of proper firearms is a sufficiently serious consideration for city survivors that an entire chapter on the subject seems appropriate.

While I believe good evidence exists to support my belief that country survivors could get by without firearms, other experience screams that city survivors absolutely must have adequate guns of the correct type. The idea that country survivors could get by without guns is based on the real-life experience of Bill Moreland, who lived alone without contact with any other humans for 13 years. Moreland’s adventure is relatively recent. He survived in Idaho’s rugged Clearwater National Forest from 1932 to 1945. Incredibly, Moreland had a .22-caliber rifle with perhaps 25 rounds of ammunition for only the last 2 years of his saga.

Personal experiences of city survivors during the past 30 years abundantly demonstrate that all city survivors will have far too many opportunities to defend their area. They will also seriously (perhaps fatally) cripple their survival food plans by not being able to shoot the occasional dog, cat, rat, goat, or duck if no guns are available. The experiences have convinced me that city survival is impossible without adequate firearms and the knowledge of how to use them.

Some of the guns and. ammunition mentioned below are tough to acquire. Rather than belaboring this issue, I assume that successful survivors will be people of tenacity, perseverance, and resourcefulness. A silencer is a good example of something that will test a survivor’s resolve. Under most city survival circumstances in the United States they are very illegal. At the same time, silencers—or something like them—are essential.

Many survivalists like myself have discovered perfectly workable substitutes for silenced weapons. These are inexpensive, relatively easy to make, and legal. Some readers will demand the real thing. Since many, many books are out there on the subject of homemade silencers, I won’t try to cover that information here.

The first serious problem I encountered while researching this chapter involves the fact that even average Americans who know little about guns know infinitely more about them than survivors of Beirut or Berlin who may have actually shot it out with marauding intruders.

Here is an example. City survivors will definitely need sniper rifles, I was told with great seriousness and enthusiasm by an Arab friend from Beirut.

“So what constitutes a sniper rifle?” I asked.

“Its one with a telescopic sight,” I was informed. To me, a sniper rifle is a tactical rifle capable of 4-inch groups at a minimum 800 yards. This fellow was actually describing what we commonly refer to as a deer rifle.

Are accurate 500-yard shots inside cities sufficient? Perhaps yes and perhaps no. Firearms are always very personal matters. My position is that sniper rifles of some sort are extremely important, and that an 800- to 1,000-yard rifle will also do well at 500 yards. But it doesn’t work the other way around.

My analysis of this Beiruti fellow’s grasp of this subject was complicated by the fact that, although he had been an active soldier engaged in fighting in the city, he had no clue regarding differences between hunting and sniper rifles. He did not even know how to sight in a rifle with optic sights!

Israeli army tacticians started it with development of their Uzi submachine guns. Instead of taking careful aim, the concept here was to let a hail of bullets fly in the direction of a potential target, who cowered to hide or ran in terror.

The concept of just firing toward a target rather than taking aim became doctrine in the Middle East and then in the old Soviet army. Things are slowly changing back again, but we still see military units today composed of infantry who engage the enemy by firing AK-47s blindly around corners or over the tops of barriers. There are also increasing numbers of soldiers who carry what we might refer to as scope-sighted deer rifles. They are called snipers, but these are the guys who are supposed to shoot at specific enemy targets out to the limit of their weapon’s range (about 500 to 600 yards). Will shooters aiming at an enemy again outnumber general-direction shooters? Changes seem to be occurring. How far they go is anybody’s guess.