Kermit Heartsong - Ukraine - ZBIG's Grand Chess Board & How The West Was Checkmated

Ashton: I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up. It’s interesting. Gosh.

Paet: Yeah. So that it was [?indeed?] disturbing that, if it starts now to live its own life very powerfully, that it already discreditates [sic] from [the] very beginning also this new coalition.

Ashton: I mean this is what they have got to be careful of as well, that they need to demand great change, but they have got to let the Rada [Ukrainian Parliament] function. If the Rada doesn’t function, then they have complete chaos. So that, it’s all, you know, being an activist and a doctor is very, very important. But it means that you’re not a politician. And somehow they’ve got to come to a kind of accommodation for the next few weeks, which is how the country is actually going to run. And then we get the elections and things can change. And that’s, I think, going to be quite pop… I am planning to go back early next week, probably on Monday.

Paet: It’s really important that now, well, people from Europe and also [the] West show up there so that it’s absolutely…

Ashton: Well, [?Verislav?] is going with the Visegrad Group [an alliance of the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia] Friday. Friday, Saturday. William Haig (unintelligible) on Sunday. I will be back again Monday.

Paet: Yes, I heard also that Canadian Minister is going on Friday. And yesterday also William Burns [the American Deputy Secretary of State] was there, so we met …

Ashton: Yes, I saw Bill.

Paet: We met also with Burns there in Kiev yesterday. Ashton: Yeah, good. Yeah, I didn’t know that John Baird was going. I will get hold of him. Okay, my friend. It was great to talk to you.

Paet: Well, thanks for these comments, and wish you well. Nice Australia.

Ashton: Yeah. What?

Paet: Nice Australia. Enjoy!

Ashton: I am not going to go. I got to delay it because I’m going to do more Ukraine instead.

Paet: OK, good, good.

Ashton: All right, my friend …

Paet: OK. Thank you. Thank you. And all the best to you. Bye.

Ashton: Bye.

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